UK Peer to Peer Lending (PtPL) – Identifying and Managing Risk by Assessing Platform Health

In my previous post, I outlined some of the factors leading to PtPL losses.  In this post I’ll look specifically at the risks associated with individual PtP platforms.  By the way, don’t believe the likes of Lord Adair Turner with his ‘Peer to Peer is Doomed’ nonsense.  Lord Turner has significant interest in a traditional business loans company hence his (biased) condemnation of Peer to Peer Lending!

I’ll ignore the big three; Zopa, Ratesetter and Funding Circle as their returns are relatively low (typically 4% - 7%) and the first two have provision funds to (hopefully) cover any losses.  The sites I favour pay 12% or more but with this comes obvious increased risk.  Typical examples are Saving Stream, Funding Secure and Money Thing. 

These platforms offer all their loans secured against material assets such as land, property, cars, boats, planes and works of art.  Incidentally, this is a much better deal than Funding Circle, where most of the loans are unsecured and the buyer must therefore factor in defaults with limited or no recovery of capital or remaining interest.

Here are two key ways to evaluate these platforms:

Number ONE:  Look at the state of the Secondary Market

These three platforms each have a secondary market where you can buy and sell loans held by other people rather than buying new loans.  But why would you want to do that, I hear you ask?  Well, you may wish to buy additional loans in order to diversify, ie spread your cash across more loans rather than waiting for new loans to appear.  Alternatively you may want to suddenly withdraw some cash rather than waiting until the end of a loan.

So what to look for?  After Christmas 2015 there was a UK PtP loan famine.  In other words there was nothing available on the secondary markets.  This is good news if you are selling loans but frustrating if you want to buy.  Now (late March) there is something of a glut.  The three platforms I mentioned all have loans to buy on the secondary market. 

What to look out for is platforms with too much on offer on the secondary market  or worse still new loans that are not fully funded.  If the platform offers the ability for sellers to off load unwanted loans at a discount, then are there a lot loans offered at a discount that are still not selling?  This may suggest that lenders are keen to offload existing loans even at a loss.  You then need to find out why they may be unhappy with the platform.  This brings me neatly to the second point.

Number TWO: Read the PtP Independent Forum 

The forum is UK-based but is also frequented by lenders in mainland Europe.   The financial expertise on this forum is amazing.  Find out what experienced lenders think of each platform and the quality of loans being offered.  Do others share your concern about a particular platform?  Use the forum to find out the default record of individual platforms and how often the capital and unpaid interest were eventually recovered.

Finally, as long as you keep well informed and don’t lend what you can’t afford to loose, I think you'll find PtPL is a much safer bet than playing the stock market roulette!

How to DO Peer to Peer Lending (PtPL) – Part 2

Practical Peer to Peer lending Advice

In my previous post  I gave tips on how to try PtPL with minimum risk.  I covered platforms such as Ratesetter (RS) and Funding Circle (FC).  In this post I shall look at Asset-based Lending on platforms such as Saving Stream (SS), Money Thing (MT) and Funding Secure (FS).  These offer far higher rates of interest with some (manageable) risk as well as making it relatively easy to get your capital back quickly via a Secondary Market.

These 3 asset-based PtPL sites reduce risk by securing each loan against a tangible asset such as property, art works, land, cars, planes or industrial machinery.  In the event of a default, the asset can be sold by the platform and the proceeds used to pay back the lenders.  The main risks are therefore platform failure or the asset valuation being too low.

These sites typically offer shorter loan terms than sites like Ratesetter.  Ratesetter’s best rate is over a term of 5 years and pays typically 5-6%. 

Saving Stream pays 12% for a bridging loan of typically 12 months.  In practice these loans may be redeemed earlier or continue for longer depending on progress of the development work required before the land or property is sold. 

In the current market, you can immediately sell loans without loss on the Saving Stream secondary market.  It is also worth noting that SS, MT and FS don’t charge any fees to lenders for buying or selling loans. 

While Saving Stream originally lent against boats, they now specialise in property and land.  Money Thing and Funding Secure offer a wider range of assets including cars and artworks.  More specialised sites, such as Ablrate, lend against aircraft, industrial plant and shipping containers with rates from around 10-14%.

It is obviously wise to spread your money across loans, asset types and platforms.  This minimises the risk of asset value collapse, platform failure or individual loan defaults.

Secondary markets are a useful means of further diversification for your existing loans and a channel to reinvest returned interest and capital on shorter term loans.

If you work full time then be aware that sites like Zopa and Ratesetter are relatively ‘hands off’ while the asset-based sites require more ‘hands on’ management.  You may also wish to look at the details of the individual asset-based loans, for example valuation reports, to make sure you are comfortable with the stated purpose of the loan.

So, finally, do give PtPL a shot.  Start with small amounts across several platforms and see how you get on.  But remember, don’t ever invest more than you can afford to lose.  Having said that, I think that you’ll find that PtPL is much less of a lottery than the stock market! 

How to actually DO Peer to Peer Lending – in a nutshell, PRACTICAL PtPL

Practical not Theory!

The financial press and social media are increasingly stuffed to the gills with hype about PtPL but most of it is so superficial.  You have probably seen some of the headlines: 

• ‘PtPL investment increasing by 200% per annum’
• ‘UK PtP is the fastest growth in PtPL per capita in the world’  

But 99% of this stuff is written by people who have never actually DONE it!  They have never signed up to even the simplest platform such as Zopa or Ratesetter and given it a try.

They therefore don’t really know what they are talking about.  Hopefully you have arrived here because you are an ordinary investor and you want to dip your toe in the water and actually have a go at PtPL.  Please note that this post relates specifically to the UK market but the principles are equally applicable to other countries.

STEP 1 

My advice is start with Ratesetter (relatively safe but uninspiring).  It only takes a few minutes to sign up.  It costs nothing.  Invest a small amount (minimum investment is £10).  You can put your cash in the 5 year market (interest around 6%) or shorter term markets where interest is less.  To start, I would recommend the monthly market that currently pays 2.8%. 

Beware the 5 year market as RS has relatively heavy penalties for early withdrawal.  As we will see later, other sites will offer 12% or more on a 6 month loan.  Many sites also have a secondary market so you can sell your loans instantly without penalty.

Sites like Ratesetter and Zopa lend to individuals rather than businesses.  Defaults are generally not a problem as they have a provision funds to cover this.  Hence the lower rates of interest offered. 

   

STEP 2

Next, sign up with Funding Circle (FC).  Funding circle is more interesting.  You bid for specific loans to businesses.  The down side is the risk of default – there is no provision fund but FC do provide an estimate of default rate, based on loan category (A+ through to E), based on their own historical data.

Most loans are unsecured so a default means you may lose some or all of your investment in that loan.  I now only invest in secured property loans on FC and leave the unsecured loans alone.  Loans secured against property mean you stand a good chance of getting all your cash back (assuming the valuation is accurate) once the property is sold.

Interest rates on FC have fallen somewhat and the chance to bid for your own rate has been removed.  A+ loans pay around 6.5% (after defaults) while E loans (highest risk) pay around 9%. 

     

Look out for Cashback on some larger A+ property loans.  I recently got a tasty 2% on a 6 month loan.  However, since the New Year, Cashback flow has dried up due to both a seasonal loan famine and increasing number of new borrowers hungry for fresh loans.

Unlike Ratesetter and Zopa, FC has a decent secondary market so you can normally get your cash out quickly, sometimes at a premium or, if you are desperate, at a discount.  

  

STEP 3

This is where PtPL gets more interesting (and more lucrative) via platforms such as Saving Stream, Money Thing and Funding Secure.  We are talking here about loans of 12-13% (with some manageable risk) for terms as short as 6 months (renewable) as well as the option to sell without loss on the secondary market.  Anyway, that's enough for now.  I’ll continue step 3 in my next post.

In the meantime, happy PtP Lending!  

UK Peer to Peer Lending: Saving Stream – ‘Still Very liquid and Continuing to Deliver!’

What it Says on the Tin!

Saving Stream remains my favourite UK Peer to Peer Lending (PTPL) platform.  It reminds me of the product Ronseal with the simple slogan ‘Does what it says on the tin’.  Please note I have no financial interest in Saving Stream other than being a satisfied customer.

Saving Stream continue to deliver high value loans while keeping their platform simple.  They offer 12% interest across every loan with no fees whatsoever.  Also, no lender money has yet been lost due to defaults. 

Saving Stream (SS) don’t indulge it a lot of chat or debate with users but do appear to listen.  Each time there has been reasonable complaint, for example, via the P2P Independent Forum, they have acted in very short time period to modify their platform to fix the problem.

Pre-Funding Brilliance 

As a result they are the only PtPL platform to offer pre-funding; an arrangement where you can pre-bid for pipeline loans and then settle up AFTER the bid is accepted.  You can also, at the same time, buy or sell on the secondary market and again settle up the balance owed at a later date (ideally within 24 hours).

Bad Robots

More recently there was annoyance from SS users about numerous ‘bots’ (the actual number was never agreed!) that snaffled up every snippet of cash on the secondary market in the blink of a human eye, hence excluding flesh and blood buyers from competing.

The use of PtP robots, software programs that monitor a Peer to Peer Platform and operate on behalf of their human owner, are not limited to Saving Stream alone.  Funding Circle was awash with them, particularly in the days when the platform had variable rate loans and you could bid for your preferred rate.

Anyway, Saving Stream have now taken measures to greatly restrict the use of bots including the use of the ‘Captcha’ (software that differentiates humans from robots).

First Class Liquidity

The problem currently facing all platforms is that the increasing popularity of PtPL means there simply aren't enough big loans to go round, particularly in the quiet period after Christmas.  For this reason Saving Stream hardly ever have anything available to buy on the secondary market.  However, this means that, in the current climate, you can cash in all your loans in a period of a few minutes, ie total liquidity.  Not bad for 12% interest! 

My UK Peer to Peer Lending Journey so far..

It’s Christmas Eve so I thought I’d do a quick update on which platforms my Peer to Peer Lending money currently resides.

Platform Pie Chart Based on Investment

About a year ago, over 50% of my money was in the Ratesetter 5 year market.  I’m now pulling my money out as quickly as I can simply because the interest is relatively low (around 6%).  Unfortunately, Ratesetter have penalties for early withdrawal and no secondary market.

The Funding Circle (FC) proportion has also reduced because they have switched to fixed interest rates so you can no longer bid for a variable rate.  Generally the return on Funding Circle is now around 7% to 8%.  Another disadvantage of FC is that loans are unsecured and any defaults lower the actual return.

So which platforms have I increased my proportional share?  Well, there are three platforms that I now favour and they are all asset-based.  These are Money Thing, Funding Secure and Saving Stream.  Asset-based means the loan is secured against the asset.  The usual asset is property or land but can also be works of art, jewellery, super cars, boats, industrial machinery and shipping containers.

Saving Stream

Saving Stream is currently my number 1 choice with great track record (no losses so far) and typically one year loans at an interest of 12% with zero fees.

Saving Stream are continually refine their offering and are the only platform to offer Pre-Funding.  This allows the lender to specify how much they wish to lend on future ‘pipeline’ loans.  In other words you can bid or buy on the secondary market without the need to pay money into the platform up front.  However, once transactions are completed you are asked to settle up within 24 hours.

Anyway, here is wishing you all a very happy and peaceful Christmas and a prosperous New Year.  

Finally, if you haven't tried it, then why not consider including Peer to Peer Lending in your 2016 portfolio?   Trust me, Peer to Peer Lending is a great way to improve your financial prospects!  

  

Saving Stream: Steadily Increasing the Flow of Peer to Peer UK Property Loans!

Full Flood?

In my opinion, Saving Stream, incidentally my favourite PtP platform in the UK, is now more than a stream and is rapidly becoming a river in full flood of substantial, i.e. multi-million pound, UK property loans.

Although a relatively ‘new kid on the block’ in terms of Peer to Peer Lenders, Saving Stream is growing rapidly  and have recently moved into new premises in Southsea.

Saving stream loans are all asset-based, return 12% per annum (plus no fees) and are secured against property associated with the loan.  These bridging loans normally last for about 12 months.  Secured loans mean that, in the event of a default, there is a reasonable probability of getting the capital back once the associated property has been sold off. 

Secondary Market

Saving Stream also have a simple secondary market allowing loans to be sold at any time to other members on the platform.  This is great for those wishing to exit a loan early and also for those who wish to diversify, reducing their exposure from a single, larger loan to a number of smaller ones.

Note that the secondary market only operates at par.  This means there is no opportunity to sell at a premium or discount.  I like this approach and the simplicity of the SS secondary market.

Pre-Funding

The other fantastic thing about the Saving Stream platform is Pre-Funding.  Every other UK PtP platform informs you when a loan is expected to come on-line and then requires you to add sufficient funds to your account before you bid.  Often bidders fail to get anything because the ‘big players’ grab the lot in the first few seconds.  The unsuccessful bidder then has to decide whether to leave their cash on the platform (earning no interest) until the next loan or whether to withdraw the cash again. 

Pre-funding allows the bidder to define how much of each pipeline loan (ie those not yet ‘live’) that they wish to purchase.  At this point the lender doesn't pay anything.  Once the loan is ready to go live, saving stream email you to let you know what proportion of your bid has actually been allocated to you.  So, for example, if I bid for £1000 of a £1M loan and the total pre-funding bids are £2M then I only get half what I bid, i.e. £500.

Settling Up

At this point you can sell part of the new loan, if you have been allocated too much, and/or buy or sell parts of other loans on the secondary market.  Once this activity is complete the platform indicates exactly what you owe and SS ask you to settle up, ideally within 24 hours.

Generally, when a large, multimillion £ pound loan comes on stream, the secondary market opens up temporarily as lenders release older loans in order to fund the newer ones.  This is the time to diversify.  Normally the demand for a share in new or old loans outstrips supply so, on the Saving Stream platform, selling a loan is almost instantaneous where as it takes patience to successfully buy an existing loan. 

What Next?

What next for Saving Stream?  Well, I for one, hope they can continue to delight their rapidly expanding  Peer to Peer Lending audience in 2016.  This means they continue their excellent record of negotiating and managing new and existing loans so any future defaults result in no permanent losses for their lenders.

Is Funding Circle still a Viable Platform for Peer to Peer Lending?

This question is prompted by the recent change by Funding Circle from variable rate bidding to fixed rate loans for lenders.  For me, and majority of the UK PtPL Lending Community (reflected by the Independent Peer to peer Lending Forum) the answer is probably NOT.

Unsecured Loans and Defaults

The biggest problem with Funding Circle is that most of their loans are unsecured.  This means that the lender is unlikely to get much money back should the borrower default.  In my case I currently have losses with Funding Circle, due to default, of £628 with only £48 recovered so far.  This reduces my projected interest rate of 8.5% (based on Funding Circle’s loss statistics) to an actual rate (after fees and losses) of 7.6%.  This rate is falling as the defaults increase.

Lower Lender Interest Rates

Funding Circle’s new fixed rates are surprisingly low and result in a projected actual interest rate of around 7% for the higher risk bands (A, A+) again based on Funding Circle’s (optimistic) statistics.  My own experience would suggest actual interest of around 6%.  In practice, since fixed rate loans were introduced, a bigger proportion of loans currently offered are A or A+.

The other large PtP Lenders such as Ratesetter and Zopa have contingency funds to cover defaults but with Funding Circle all the risk is passed on to the lender.  For me, short term asset-secured lending at an interest rate of around 12% is much more attractive.  Should the borrower default then I know the asset will sold I should eventually get all or most of my money back.

However, Excellent Liquidity

However, one advantage of Funding Circle is excellent liquidity.  They have an efficient secondary market allowing people like me to gradually sell my existing loans at a premium rather than waiting for them to run for the full term.  In contrast, Ratesetter has unspecified, high penalty charges should you wish to pull your cash early.

Funding Circle Going for Growth

I think Funding Circle have made a reasoned business decision to focus on growth, with expansion into various European countries and greater reliance on institutional investors and a simplified approach.  In doing this they have deliberately turned their back on the early adopters and small, entrepreneurial investors that PtPL was originally all about.

Thankfully there are several smaller platforms such as Saving Stream, Funding Secure and Money Thing who are working closely with the PtPL community in order to meet their lending needs and provide the necessary deal flow to absorb the money released from the bigger platforms, such as Funding Circle, now offering lower interest rates to lenders.     

Funding Circle to Quit Variable Rate Loans

Peer to Peer Lending remains a very volatile marketplace with constant revisions to platform function and design.  For example, Saving Stream have recently added the very useful pre-funding of loans facility so you don’t pay until AFTER the loan is allocated.

Meanwhile, Funding Circle (FC) have announced that in the next few weeks they will no longer offer Variable Rate Loans, where individual lenders can bid for their own interest rate.  FC argues that this change makes the platform easier to use for both borrowers and lenders.

No more Flipping?

However, fixed rates take away much of the enterprise of buying and selling loans on the secondary market.  The practice of ‘flipping’, where you could buy a loan at a high rate of interest and then sell it at a premium, is largely eliminated with fixed rate bidding system.

This was one of the attractions of FC, particularly to financially-savvy, entrepreneurial geeks who enjoyed gaming the platform while providing a useful service by improving liquidity via a good supply of instant loans.  

So how will the new platform look? 

Well, the new interest rates being offered appear to be lower than many existing lenders would like, although FC may either add 1% or 2% ‘Cashback’ or shift their rates upwards to fund some larger loans.

The major issue I have with FC is the number of ‘downgraded’ loans and the relatively low level of recoveries.  My effective interest rate is somewhat poorer than the FC prediction.  I’m predicted to be making 8.5% but am currently down to 7.8%.  This can obviously shift up or down depending on future failure of rates or recoveries.  Currently I’ve ‘lost’ over £500 with less than £50 being recovered.

Moving On?

The key thing is that most FC loans are not secured against assets so the chance of a full recovery of capital and interest is relatively low.  Fortunately many of my FC loans can be sold at a premium on the secondary market so I am gradually reducing my exposure the FC in favour of P2P platforms offering better interest rates, secured against material assets such as property, land or artworks.

Asset-Based Platforms

Saving Stream offers 12% across the board on property and Ablrate offer 14% on shipping containers while Funding Secure offer a range of interest rates, mainly on property with rates of typically 12-13%.  The trouble is, these asset-based loans are increasingly popular and the demand for new loans is not being fully met. This is NOT helped by FC putting the brakes on their own secondary market and driving their more discerning lenders to other platforms!    

Assetz Capital – yet another new account, the Quick Access Account

Assetz Capital is a site that it full of innovation but the way the site works is complex and sometimes unpredictable.  The latest account is the Quick Access Account (QAA).  This joins the Cash account, Manual Loan Investment Account, Green Energy Income Account and the Great British Business Account.  Yes, that’s FIVE accounts in total, including the cash account.

QAA

The QAA offers (almost) instant access to funds, is secured by a provision fund and has an interest rate of 3.75%.  The clever thing is that as new loans come online or existing loans, specified by the lender, become available, money is automatically transferred from the QAA to one or more of the other accounts.  In other words, Assetz are offering 3.75% interest on cash that would otherwise be parked (with no interest) in the Cash Account.

In the Lab?

For me, Assetz is a kind of laboratory experiment, a prototype or beta site but with real money and real loans.  It reminds me, in some ways, of Funding Circle with its complex secondary market and the ability to bid for your own interest rate.  Mind you, bidding for varied rates on FC will soon be a thing of the past. FC are shortly going over to fixed rates only so the ‘flippers’ and their ‘bots’ will need to find a new home!  More of FC and fixed rates in a future post.

Where am I with Assetz?

I've got bits of cash in the 4 accounts and wait with INTEREST, hopefully 3.75%, 7% or more (Manual Loan Investment Account), to see what cash ends up where and when! Anyway, I look forward to putting more money into Assetz, if and when the algorithms get sorted out and the flow of new loans increases, and I can fully understand what the platform is doing with my cash! 

Saving Stream – Is the New Pre-Funding Option the Way Forward?

In my last post I described how massive demand for loans on the Saving Stream platform had resulted in many lenders being locked out of recent loans while greedy lenders with big pockets were snatching up everything in sight.

The Solution

I’m pleased to announce that Saving Stream have come up with a simple fix – the Pre-Funding Option.  This allows each lender to set up an amount they are prepared to invest in each new loan.  This means everyone who wants ‘in’ will get a share of the loan.  While those with big pockets will obviously get only a proportion of their pre-funding amount they won’t be able to steal from smaller bidders.

Not Perfect but ..

Like all fixes, it isn’t perfect but, with the demand for loan parts on the secondary market, anyone who has second thoughts can easily sell all or part of a share in a loan.  As with existing Saving Stream loans, you can bid without having to have the money in your SS account.  Once you know the size of loan you have been allocated you can transfer the cash into your SS account retrospectively.

I for one am happy with this solution and look forward to participating in future loans on the Saving Steam platform!

UPDATE (11 Sep 2015)

The New Pre-Funding option seems to be working well.  My first loan was scaled back significantly from the amount I offered but the second was taken up in full.  All I need to do in each case was settle up via a bank transfer once I received the email.  I love the simplicity of SS.  12% across the board and the ability to pre-bid and then pay later.  What's not to like?  

Saving Stream – When UK Peer to Peer Lending Goes Bad!

Until recently Saving Stream was a great site for Lenders.  It had a good reputation, simple interface, 12% across the board interest on asset-backed property loans and a fully functioning secondary market.

Hitting the Fan!

In the last few weeks, the ‘proverbial’ has hit the fan!  The number of lenders has increased rapidly and also the size of their pockets.  SS have refused to limit bid sizes (as other sites such as Funding Secure and Money Thing do).  The result is that I have been locked out of the site when the last 4 loans have come on line and have been unable to invest anything in spite of intense and futile keyboard activity. 

Evil Robots 

After half an hour or so these large loans (some over a million £) are gone because people with large pockets (or idiots) are chucking typically £50k on a single loan.  Also the secondary market now empties immediately anything surfaces on it.  This is rumoured to be partly due to the use of ‘bots’. SS have failed to prevent bot use (for example by inserting a Captcha), failed to upgrade their servers/software and worst of all refused put any limit on bid size.

Not Cricket

This is NOT what Peer to Peer is supposed to be all about.  Ordinary people with limited funds and limited technology are effectively being denied access to SS loans.  It’s like a millionaire going to the local sweet shop and buying up the entire stock.

Saving Stream in Full Flood

Hopefully SS will fix things, but right now the Saving Stream is in full flood and the infrastructure can’t cope.  Unfortunately, in the next month or so a huge pile of SS cash is being released as loans mature and many will find it difficult to reinvest in the platform.  Its classic gold rush time with too many prospectors chasing too little gold and the greedy few grabbing every nugget.

I will be monitoring SS and hoping it improves but right now I have no choice but to invest elsewhere. 

ABLRATE – What’s in a Name? Yet another Asset-based P2P Loan Platform

This is how ABLRATE describe themselves:

Ablrate is a peer lending platform that provides asset finance to a diverse range of businesses. Our platform was initially launched to allow our Lending Members access to the lucrative aircraft leasing space. The sector is highly regulated, has bank finance involved and can provide lenders with excellent returns and security. 

The platform was expanded to give Lending Members access to asset finance deals in capital equipment, property and any other transactions where our members have good security and good returns.  Ablrate was named as the 'abl' stands for 'Asset Backed Lending' which is at the core of our platform and will remain so.

Interface

Ablrate has pleasing platform user interface and offers very rapid crediting of bank transfer deposits (ie a few minutes).  Interest rates currently vary from 10-14%.  There were no loans available when I joined so I bought £300 worth of a bottling plant loan on the secondary market just to try the platform out.

Aircraft Leasing

As well as aircraft leasing they also do manufacturing plants and marine containers.  I’ve recently added a £300 loan against marine containers (14%) with a term of around 6 months.
The secondary market allows you to buy and sell loans at a premium of discount, in a similar way to Funding Circle.  Other asset based platforms that do have a secondary market, currently only allow you to buy or sell at value.

Any Good?

My main problem with Ablrate (apart from the odd name), so far, has been a lack of new loans. However, I feel Ablrate has a lot going for it and offers good support via the P2P Independent Forum and has an interesting portfolio of loans.  The company appears to have significant knowledge of the aviation leasing market and that differentiates them from the other asset-based loan companies who follow the ‘pawnbroker’ or ‘bricks and land’ models.

Summary:

• Interest rates: 10-14%
• Secondary market (with premiums and discounts)
• Length of loans 6 months - 5 years
• Quick deposits
• Asset-based

Ablerate is a P2PL platform to watch.  But, as with its rivals such as Saving Stream, Money Thing and Funding Secure, it is too early to make a clear judgement.  Only when these platforms have been tested with a few defaults will we be able to make a more considered assessment.

Funding Secure - Yet another UK asset-based Peer to Peer Lending Platform

I’ve recently introduced you to two asset based platforms; Saving Stream (SS) and Money Thing (MT).  They both have a fixed interest rate of 12% and are somewhat similar in the way they work.

Saving Stream

SS normally lends for a term of one year but also has a secondary market that allows you (currently) to sell your loans easily at any time because there are not enough loans/value to satisfy the demand. Note that this situation could easily change.  SS loans are usually secured against property (bricks and mortar).

Money Thing

In contrast, Money Thing is a 6 month term with no secondary market.  Loans are typically secured against objects (or bundles of objects).  There is the hint of the pawnbroker here; think, artworks, cars and jewellery as well as the odd plane.

Funding Secure 

“Yes, but what about FUNDING SECURE?”  I hear you cry.  Well it’s sort of a cross between SS and MT.  Interests rates are normally 12 or 13% with a 6 month term, no secondary market and a mix of security against objects or land/property.  More accurately, Funding Secure (FS) appear to have started out with the pawnbroker model but are increasingly moving into land and bricks.

I’m currently investing modest amounts in the three platforms to see how I get on.  So far all three are fine and hopefully, with the relatively short terms, there won’t be too many defaults.  

The minimum investment in an FS loan is a mere £25 so you don’t have to gamble your life savings to give it a go.  Transfers from a current account (assuming a rapid transfer) become active on the site within 30min.

Better be Quick!

However, The problem with these platforms is you need to be quick.  Once a new loan appears, unless it is a biggy (£100K +) then a frenzied mob gobbles it up before your eyes (On FS, once the loan is live, you can see the amount left diminish before your eyes).

Do be aware that these platforms are all risky and I fear that in 6 months time I may be warning you to put all your money in Ratesetter or Zopa (with a much lower interest rate).

Fine Wines?

Incidentally I see the next FS loan is ‘Fine wines’ – a massive loan of £500 (asset value £800).  I’ll drink to that one! (But what if it’s ‘corked’?  That's one thing the valuation expert can’t check!)

Peer to Peer Lending - Ratesetter and getting your Money Back!

This is a big issue for those of us ‘PRENDERS’ who started stashing lots of money in platforms like Ratesetter and Funding Circle but who now want to shift some of it into higher interest sites such as Saving Stream, Funding Secure or Money Thing.  The technical term for this issue is LIQUIDITY (how easy is it to cash in your investment?).

Ratesetter Sellout?

About a year ago I put around 50% of my PtPL money into the Ratesetter 5 year market at around 6.0%. I’ve now turned off further investment so my Holding Account receives a few hundred pounds a month that I can reinvest elsewhere.  In practice ‘Sellout’, the Ratesetter term for cashing all or part of your investment early, carries too heavy a penalty to make it worthwhile to cash in, except in an extreme emergency.

Secondary Markets    

However, Funding Circle has a Secondary Market so you can offer some of your loans for sale, at any time, at a premium (or discount) according how attractive the rates are.

It is really ‘Horses for Courses’.  Ratesetter is relatively safe but paying the rate for a five year loan means five years or a penalty.

With Funding Circle you bid for the rate and can then sell your loans at any time.  However your 5 year rate on Ratesetter is protected while on Funding circle the final interest rate you achieve depends on how many defaults you have and how much cash is subsequently recovered.

Liquidity in Asset-based high interest platforms

If you put money into some of the high interest platforms like Saving Stream, or Money Thing (both pay 12%), the terms are short, typically 6 – 12 months, and there is also secondary market making them relatively ‘liquid’.  Of course, these newer platforms also carry greater risk in spite of being secured against assets.  Currently it is very easy to sell loans but hard to buy.  Future events could easily change that.

‘What happens in a future financial crisis?’

Clearly you then have a much better chance of eventually getting your money back from Ratesetter than some of the other platforms.

Solution?

The sensible solution appears to be a portfolio of platforms/loans with the most money in platforms like Ratesetter/Funding Circle and a smaller amount invested in a basket of high interest platforms (if you want some excitement!)

Saving Stream, Peer to Peer Lending Paying TWELVE PERCENT (12%) !

• No fees
• Secured Loans
• Contingency Fund

Too Good to be True? 

You might think so but their track record to date is pretty good.  There have been no defaults so far.  It’s well worth checking out what other lenders think by visiting the ‘Peer to Peer Independent Forum’ (you can find the link in the column to the right of this post).  There is a specific area of the Forum dedicated to Saving Stream.

A lot to Like

There is a lot to like about Saving Stream.  The platform is very simple and straight forward.  It reminds me of the Ronseal Ad, ‘It does exactly what it says on the tin’.

Minimum investment is £100 and minimum investment per loan is also £100.  Loans are typically bridging loans for property, interest only and are 6-12 months in duration.  The short term means that your money isn’t locked away for long periods.  The 12% interest rate is fixed for every loan so effectively they have averaged out the rate to keep the platform simple.

Secondary Market

There is a secondary market where you/buy sell at cost (ie no markup or mark down).  In practice, with the 12% rate, there are not many sellers.  The secondary market offers a mechanism to spread your risk across existing loans.  You’ll find new loans disappear fairly quickly.

What If?

One thing to remember about asset-based loans, if the worse happens, a default, then you won’t get your money back for some time as the asset will need to be sold.  You are also relying on the valuation being accurate.

I would recommend Saving Stream, based on my experience so far, but do weigh the risks and spread your money both between loans and across other platforms!

More on Funding Circle

Funding Circle is my second favourite platform in terms of amount invested.  I am, in practice, currently getting around 8.3% on my investment while the projected amount based on expected FC default statistics, is 8.7%.  Note that interest rates on the site have since fallen so if I were creating a portfolio from scratch today the rate I would get would probably be lower.  Funding Circle loan terms are generally either 3 or 5 years in length although some loans are for one year or less.

Risks

Funding Circle takes up more time than the simpler sites like Ratesetter but offers more entertainment (depending on your enjoyment of online auctions) and higher returns.  While some of the loans have a guarantor, these are unsecured loans, ie not secured against a tangible asset such as property, so there is a small but real danger of losing both capital and interest.  My current personal losses are around 2.7% of the amount invested.   This will reduce if more money is recovered but also increase if there are more defaults.

Auto Bid

If you don’t like or don’t have time for real-time auctions during the working day (some employers may frown upon using you workstation for this purpose) then Autobid is for you.  This enables you to program the FC platform to select suitable loans for you and bid on your behalf.  There are obvious disadvantages to autobid, however.

• You don’t get a chance to hand pick the loans
• You don’t know how the auction will go so you have to set the bid interest rate lower in order to stand a fair chance of winning
• It will take longer to get your money invested

Secondary Market

The second alternative to live auctions is the Funding Circle Secondary Market.  This is particularly useful when you start out and want to build a portfolio of loans fairly quickly.  This allows lenders to put their loan parts for sale and other lenders to buy them.
This is a win-win for both buyers and sellers.  It introduces liquidity into the market allowing lenders to access their cash before the loan completes and for other lenders to increase their portfolio without having to bid.

Greece and China

It is times like this, with the stock markets worldwide tumbling because of Greek Exit fears and the Chinese markets in free fall, that I’m glad I invested significantly in Peer to Peer.  My only regret is that I still have so much cash in a Self Invested Personal Pension (SIPP) invested in stock market funds.  Sure, now may not be a particularly good time to sell but, if and when the stock market improves, then it might be prudent to shift more cash away from the markets and invest in Peer to Peer.  I’m so thankful that extracting cash from a SIPP is much easier than it used to be!

Good luck with Funding Circle.  In my next post I shall introduce you to some platforms that provide asset based loans.  Should the loan default then it is secured against an asset such as property or even a plane or a work of art!